Curse

jbwarrior · Sep 14, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by richdaddy

Hit the beach like you guys know already, the dagwoods (or w/e they are called, the walking toothpicks) can drop shards

Indeed i had 2 shards in a run (untill the spiders) from those drifwoods

richdaddy · Sep 14, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwarrior

Indeed i had 2 shards in a run (untill the spiders) from those drifwoods

Thats it lol Driftwoods (aka toothpicks)

Katari · Sep 14, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

@Jorgen
With the wammo build, you'll be enchanted continously (except when fighting dryers, but that dosn't matter) so go with a -2 enchanted shield. If you can get your hands on a -2/-2 stance/tactics shield, you'll be even better off.

Back in the day, before the knight's armor fix, the standard was weapon helm, knight's boots, legionare's (many just used glad's) rest. You almost got a feww -2 damage reduction just from the boots. Now that isn't the case, and the W/Mo build is really somewhat borderline when fighting that huge mob at times, so the loss of damage reduction was a hit. Apparently Legionare's works fine, but I've been using Full Knight's (weapon helm still, of course) since I figure (without actually test, I must admit) that -3 damage reduction is better than +10 armor. +10 armor is better than nothing of course, so you'll really want to get one of those two sets. It would definatly help to get a Tactics shield (-2 stanced, since you're a w/me) and trade the +1 strength helm for a +1 swords helm. I think there's a collector for +1 sword helms in Amoon Oasis.

With the right gear, you should only need Healsig, Physical Resistance, "Watch Yourself!," and Sprint as defensive skills. Dolyak Sig and "Sheilds Up!" are more than a W/Me should need.

jbwarrior · Sep 14, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katari

@Jorgen
With the wammo build, you'll be enchanted continously (except when fighting dryers, but that dosn't matter) so go with a -2 enchanted shield. If you can get your hands on a -2/-2 stance/tactics shield, you'll be even better off.

Back in the day, before the knight's armor fix, the standard was weapon helm, knight's boots, legionare's (many just used glad's) rest. You almost got a feww -2 damage reduction just from the boots. Now that isn't the case, and the W/Mo build is really somewhat borderline when fighting that huge mob at times, so the loss of damage reduction was a hit. Apparently Legionare's works fine, but I've been using Full Knight's (weapon helm still, of course) since I figure (without actually test, I must admit) that -3 damage reduction is better than +10 armor. +10 armor is better than nothing of course, so you'll really want to get one of those two sets. It would definatly help to get a Tactics shield (-2 stanced, since you're a w/me) and trade the +1 strength helm for a +1 swords helm. I think there's a collector for +1 sword helms in Amoon Oasis.

With the right gear, you should only need Healsig, Physical Resistance, "Watch Yourself!," and Sprint as defensive skills. Dolyak Sig and "Sheilds Up!" are more than a W/Me should need.

Ok thanks for the tips.
Do u know where i can get a shield with -2/-2 tactics?

Katari · Sep 14, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwarrior

Ok thanks for the tips.
Do u know where i can get a shield with -2/-2 tactics?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

To the best of my knowledge, the only way to get dual -2's is on gold shields.

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jbwarrior · Sep 14, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

sorry

Thanks

Lichtenberg · Sep 14, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

W/Me

Attributes:

Inspiration 4
tactics 9+1+1
strength 11+1
swords 10+3

Equipment:

Gladiator armor (i have ascalon helmet, but -2 isnt global no more so u can also use glad helmet)
Sword = Zelous 1/1 +15(stance) +5AL (i use defense cause i use for other purposes

)
Shield +45stance -2stance (collectors crimson carpace is ideal and cheap

)

Skills:

Heal signet
Sprint
Physical resistance
"I will survive"
"Watch yourself"
Standing Slash
Final Thrust
Hundred Blades

the run should already be explained in this thread

i dont know if it says here, but after finishing cave and all, u can run out other end and try to get all the pop up shadow beast, they pretty much kill themselves by using dark pact ( u must have less hp than them for them to use it)
when its to low for them to use it again without suicide, just take em out in a couple of hits
theres usually around 10-15 shadow beast u can get as pop ups, just try to bring them to a corner where u wont aggro any other mobs

my record..Snarling+spiders+beast = 10shards in 1 run

jbwarrior · Sep 14, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickkk

W/Me

Attributes:

Inspiration 4
tactics 9+1+1
strength 11+1
swords 10+3

Equipment:

Gladiator armor (i have ascalon helmet, but -2 isnt global no more so u can also use glad helmet)
Sword = Zelous 1/1 +15(stance) +5AL (i use defense cause i use for other purposes

)
Shield +45stance -2stance (collectors crimson carpace is ideal and cheap

)

Skills:

Heal signet
Sprint
Physical resistance
"I will survive"
"Watch yourself"
Galrath Slash
Final Thrust
Hundred Blades

the run should already be explained in this thread

i dont know if it says here, but after finishing cave and all, u can run out other end and try to get all the pop up shadow beast, they pretty much kill themselves by using dark pact ( u must have less hp than them for them to use it)
when its to low for them to use it again without suicide, just take em out in a couple of hits
theres usually around 10-15 shadow beast u can get as pop ups, just try to bring them to a corner where u wont aggro any other mobs

my record..Snarling+spiders+beast = 10shards in 1 run

An idea,

Instead of Galrath slash, you could take Standing Slash, because in stance you do the same amount of damage as galrath slash. Diffrence is:
Galrath Slash: 8 Adrenaline
Standing Slash: 6 Adrenaline
|
|--> so you can use it more often.

Lichtenberg · Sep 14, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwarrior

An idea,

Instead of Galrath slash, you could take Standing Slash, because in stance you do the same amount of damage as galrath slash. Diffrence is:
Galrath Slash: 8 Adrenaline
Standing Slash: 6 Adrenaline
|
|--> so you can use it more often.

did not notice that, and it actually does +1 more dmg than galrath

ill edit it now

jbwarrior · Sep 14, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickkk

did not notice that, and it actually does +1 more dmg than galrath

ill edit it now

No problem, that's where we are for, thinking with each other

squan · Sep 14, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23

well i allways go with 4 attack skills. i never tried it with dolyak, because in the cave Physical Resistance is more then enough, and with "Shields Up!" you will have more then enough armor to use healing signet. btw you wont need dolyak when you are running from skales

you should know why

Dragon Slash {e}
If Dragon Slash hits, you strike for +42 damage and gain 5 strikes of adrenaline.
10 adrenaline
Standing Slash
If it hits, Standing Slash deals +21 damage plus an additional 21 damage if you are in a Stance.
6 adrenaline
Galrath Slash
This attack strikes for +43 damage if it hits.
8 adrenaline
Silverwing Slash
This attack strikes for +43 damage if it hits.
8 adrenaline
Healing Signet
You gain 137 Health. You have -40 armor while using this skill.
2 sec casting 4 sec recharge
"Shields Up!"
For 18 seconds, you and all allies within earshot gain 50 armor against piercing damage and 50% chance to block incoming projectile attacks.
10 energy 30 sec recharge
Physical Resistance
For 30...78 seconds, you gain +40 armor against physical damage, but you lose 24...14 armor against elemental damage.
10 energy 20 recharge
Sprint (12 secodns).
5 energy 20 recharge

for my next run (will take a while, i am at my work

) i will try to replace Silverwing Slash for final thurst. and i will use it when i used my third attack skill. after that you wont have any adrenaline left so you need to build up again. but still its a +100 hit when health is under 50%. i just wanna see if it goes quiker or not.

mostly i do a run in 50 minutes with this build

oh btw attribute points are
swords 16
tactics 13
rest in strength

i dont use a superior rune for tactics. 13 is enough. only difference if you use 15 tactics are -75 health, +15 health with healing signet and +2 sec for shields up.
its just your choise if you wanna use 13 or 15 tactics. i choose for 13.

i use a kanaxai edge (not custimized) and a green tactics shield (faction endgame reward). i am farming for a green shield +10 armor piercing damage, but i have some bad luck

i got a fellblade +15 in stance +30 req 12 in storage, but not using it yet, till i got a mod for extra defence vs piercing damage.

how much is a defence mod these days?

damaster275 · Sep 14, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Seems like everyone uses the sword build besides me

. Killing the few shadow beasts that opoup at the end of the cave is very worthwhile

Poison Ivy · Sep 14, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

^squan

Take out Shields Up for Watch Yourself, you won't need that much armor.

Oh and the attrabutes can use some tweaking:

16 Swords
12 Tactics
7 Strength
2 Insp.

squan · Sep 14, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

^squan

Take out Shields Up for Watch Yourself, you won't need that much armor.

Oh and the attrabutes can use some tweaking:

16 Swords
12 Tactics
7 Strength
2 Insp.

hmmmm ok i could do that, but i only use watch yourself for the extra armor when i need some healing and watch yourselfe has less armor. and btw it costs adrenaline, and since shields up costs 10 energy and i never have energy problems, cause i got 25 energy, (i dont have a full set of knights armor). 7 strength could be ok 11 sec sprint is allways ok, but thats only 1 sec longer then what i have now.

or is there a other reason why i should run with this build?

mathijn · Sep 14, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

99 variations on 1 original build, the W/Me build with sword/axe stats have been explained about 100 times.
start 2 find out other builds
W/A or something

scamPOR · Sep 14, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Try customizing your sword... it will help some.

Koning · Sep 15, 2006, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathijn

99 variations on 1 original build, the W/Me build with sword/axe stats have been explained about 100 times.
start 2 find out other builds
W/A or something

/agree

SnipiousMax · Sep 15, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

^squan

Take out Shields Up for Watch Yourself, you won't need that much armor.

Shields Up > Watch Yourself

It's not the additional armor, it's the chance to block arrows. You don't need it up all the time, and you only need to heal while you have it up.

Akuma · Sep 16, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Anybody know if Geoffer's Bulwark would be a better choice than the 45/-2 shield?

Overtanking wins, don't tell anybody not to dolyaks+PR!!!

mathijn · Sep 16, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

-2 seems to be better, and overprotting means less speed -> less cash 1 hour